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Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:55:00 -
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Paikis wrote:
Can anyone come up with a single legitimate disadvantage to using armour?
As others have said:
- TDF ships are overtanked and there is no 'well known' high-level armor channel
- A pimp shield tank uses less slots than a pimp armor tank
- Armor tanking requires more buffer due to rep at end of cycle
- Shield fleet has better mobility
- For all Marauder fleets, the problem get's worse due to deadspace tank difference
- Shield fleets have more implant options (no slaves needed)
Armor fleets might have an edge by using highly pimped Nestors powered by Talisman Paladins but this would require lots of isk and time to test and tune. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
202
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Posted - 2014.05.21 17:06:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:
-Wrong, you can get an armor tank down to 1 rig 1 low if you spend the same amount of isk as people do on invulns
-Most ships have more buffer due to most ships having more armor and also shield, the only exception is the nightmare
-Not true, an armor ship that isn't using a plate is just as fast as a shield ship
-Except the paladins naturally much stronger at armor tanking, deadspace armor paladin can tank more then a deadspace shield vargur
-Who said armor ships require slaves?
- Apart from vanguards, a 1 rig, 1 mod armor Vindi or Mach will take between 20k and 30k more damage before the first reps land than a 1 rig, 1 mod shield Vindi or Mach. This is due to reps landing at end of cycle, the armor ship usually not having any shield left and overloading the invul. A 1 mod 1 rig armor tank is very much possible but you're living much closer 'to the edge' compared to the shield version.
- Once you go bastion, a 1 invul, 2 ancil Vargur (run 1 at a time) has more tank than a 2 ean, 1 x-type rep Paladin before heat or crystals, is cheaper and has an emergency button in the form of the second booster. With sufficient pimpage, you can get the Vargur to a 2 mid active shield tank able to run VG's.
- Biggest difference is still the culture. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
202
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Posted - 2014.05.22 18:59:00 -
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Numba2 Special wrote:Keith Planck wrote:I bet you guys have 2 CCCs on your paladins xD
And don't have 3 reps
[Paladin, tank]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
[Vargur, tank]
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Both get 4000 dps, both cost 3.5bil
You never fit 2 enams on a paladin... This really only proves that the Vargur's tank is much stronger than the Paladin's. This Paladin is devoting 8 mods and 2 rigs to its tank, compared to 6 mods and 2 rigs for the Vargur. Also, the Vargur is fully capstable while the Paladin is only capstable with its guns turned off. Then consider that the Vargur has the option to plug in crystals and it's not even close.
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Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
202
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Posted - 2014.05.23 20:34:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:
1. Most of TDF's FCs are "Cookie Cutter". I posted a armor nightmare with an a-type EANM, asking advice for VGs and the first thing to pop out of someone's mouth was "Plate?" followed closely by "Fit a plate and get slaves."
This is a fit I want to see now... But seeing as they cruisers with plates, when they have massive resist and sig tank, and some speed tank, I can see why they would want a plate on that.
Standard TDF doctrine. Unless you have slaves, you plate it.
That's very quotable right there |
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